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Traveller-digest     Saturday, November 6 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1319<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1318<BR>
Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
Re: Solomani Rim data and CT LBB errata<BR>
Re: Cons On Ice Scenario <BR>
Re: Justice and Criminal vs CivilIn <BR>
Re: Justice and Criminal vs Civil<BR>
Re: Islamic Observances in Interstellar Space<BR>
Re: Evelotion and the drifting generation ship<BR>
Re: Justice and Criminal vs Civil<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1315<BR>
Re: Intelligence Services in Traveller<BR>
More on slang...<BR>
Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace) #KEYBOARD ALERT!<BR>
Re: Dragon Magazine Archive...<BR>
Re: Cons On Ice Scenario<BR>
Re: Justice and Criminal vs Civil <BR>
Re: Marc Miller's new website for Traveller <BR>
Re Language Vote<BR>
re Intell Services<BR>
Nuclear Dampers (was Re: GT Starship gearheadedness) [long]<BR>
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 18:34:15 -0800<BR>
From: Ken Hagler <khagler@orange-road.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1318<BR>
<BR>
Juliean Galak wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Actually, the constitution uses "People" to mean "States" any number of<BR>
> times.<BR>
<BR>
The number of times is exactly zero. Unless you're one of those people who<BR>
believes that the people actually have no rights whatsoever. We usually call<BR>
such people "elected officials."<BR>
<BR>
>That's the basis for the Supreme Court decision saying that the 2nd<BR>
> applies to National Guard units....  Not that I agree with them....<BR>
<BR>
There is no such decision.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 20:38:30 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
<BR>
Glenn Goffin wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
<<snips discussion of theories of historical interpretation>><BR>
> <BR>
> obTrav:  Don't forget Dev Landrel.<BR>
<BR>
I'm sorry, I don't recall that name.... ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Care to enlighten me about Dev Landrel?<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:43:15 EST<BR>
From: JFZeigler@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Solomani Rim data and CT LBB errata<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 11/5/99 12:45:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>
copeab@hotmail.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
> >It's pretty clear that the rule as given in the TB main text is an erratum.<BR>
>  <BR>
>  Good to know I've been doing it the wrong way for 17 years ... guess there <BR>
>  isn't much point to changing now ...<BR>
<BR>
<* chuckle *>.  When I was doing the playtest for _First In_ someone hit<BR>
me in the face with the fact that no, a type X starport and Red Zone status<BR>
are not necessarily logically equivalent.  I'd been assuming that as a<BR>
Traveller "given" for, well, almost 20 years. . .<BR>
<BR>
Actually, if you think about it doing the hydrographics with atmosphere<BR>
rather than size is *close*, since atmosphere itself tends to track size.<BR>
The major effect is that you'll get extreme results more frequently.<BR>
Toward the mean the distribution probably feels about the same.<BR>
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- ----------<BR>
Jon F. Zeigler: Mathematician, computer geek, amateur historian, freelance<BR>
writer, occasional scribbler of bad poetry<BR>
"For any statement, no matter how innocuous, there exists a nonempty<BR>
set of people who will take offense at it."<BR>
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:53:28 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Cons On Ice Scenario <BR>
<BR>
>From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
<BR>
>There's another one that I can't recall the author <BR>
>of. It's got a pseudo Aztec culture living in a <BR>
>mountain valley. And then our hero decides to break <BR>
>the taboos and go exploring. He climbs the monutains<BR>
>and finds that they touch the sky! Turns out the <BR>
>"valley" is the inside of a generation ship. I can't <BR>
>recall why the passengers were handled that way. <BR>
<BR>
That was done in a Star Trek episode.  The title was<BR>
something like, For the World is Hollow and I Have<BR>
Touched the Sky.  McCoy got the girl, as I recall.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:11:27 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Justice and Criminal vs CivilIn <BR>
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>From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
 <BR>
>It doesn't matter *what* they thought. The offficers <BR>
>had been acquiited in a court of law. And legally, <BR>
>that made them immune for *any* prosecution for the <BR>
>*actions* involved. <BR>
<BR>
That's a misstatement of the law.  Acquittal by a<BR>
California court immunizes them from prosecution by<BR>
California for the same acts.  It does not immunize<BR>
them from prosecution by another sovereign entity with<BR>
jurisdiction -- in this case, the United States of<BR>
America.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:06:38 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Justice and Criminal vs Civil<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Keven R. Pittsinger wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>> > Well, yes, I grew up in AMERICA, where (like in the 3I) racism is<BR>
>> > BASICALLY a thing of the past and so-called "xenophobia" is just a matter<BR>
>> > of PRACTICAL NECESSITY. I realize that other countries are not as<BR>
>> > progressive as OURS.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Mind if I ask when you grew up here, Kenji-san?<BR>
><BR>
> Who says I grew up?<BR>
><BR>
> And that's Shuwarutsu-san.  Kuroda-san if you're nasty.<BR>
<BR>
Is it possible to be *really* nasty and just call you "gaijin?"<BR>
<BR>
(just curious how far the term extends :-)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:07:14 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Islamic Observances in Interstellar Space<BR>
<BR>
>Needless to say, this couldn't be done if the direction to Mecca changed<BR>
>on a daily cycle.  This alone might lead to most 'mainstream' Muslims<BR>
>accepting a compromise in which some on-planet location -- first landing<BR>
>point, first mosque constructed, location of a shard of the Kaaba -- is<BR>
>taken as "local Mecca" for prayer purposes.  Of course, there would be<BR>
>ultra-orthodox Muslims who insist on praying toward Mecca itself.  They<BR>
>would thus do the five daily prayers in five directions, spinning through<BR>
>a circle each day.  I might imagine their picking up the nickname<BR>
>"Dervishes" for this.<BR>
<BR>
Hm. A grav-mosque that automatically adjusts itself?<BR>
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:49:52 -0600<BR>
From: Shimmergloom <shimmer@mhtc.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Evelotion and the drifting generation ship<BR>
<BR>
Yea, that's what I meant.  Sorry, I was tired when I wrote that.   The setting I have in mind is a colony ship that was lost by it's people.  The party finds it and discovers a completely unique ecosystem on board.  Complete with dangerous microbes, sophist life forms and complex social system.  The hydroponics has<BR>
gone so far out of control to have formed a soil layer on the deck and the cold sleep for the wild life failed long enough ago to have allowed them to have evolved into new species (SP?)<BR>
<BR>
Anthony Jackson wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Shimmergloom writes:<BR>
> > So, how long would it take it take a generation ship that got knocked off<BR>
> > course to develop an entirely unique echo system?<BR>
><BR>
> Assuming you mean ecosystem, it depends on what you mean by 'entirely unique'. For larger lifeforms, speciation should take in the tens or hundreds of thousands of years, less significant changes would occur faster.  It's pretty unlikely that a generation ship would remain viable anywhere near that long, however.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:08:49 -0700<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Justice and Criminal vs Civil<BR>
<BR>
>Then there was the Rodney King beating case a few years back - some<BR>
>Los Angeles, California police officers got a bit too enthusiastic in their<BR>
>apprehending of one Rodney King, who was resisting arrest...and <BR>
>someone got it on videotape.<BR>
><BR>
>The officers were acquitted of using excessive force- apparently it wasn't <BR>
>clear to the jury just how much Mr. King was actually resisting, and <BR>
>they could not get to the beyond reasonable doubt stage.<BR>
<BR>
Is it true that Mr. King was hopped up on PCP at the time? Or is that<BR>
just an urban myth that arose after the fact? (If it's true, it would<BR>
explain the actions of the officers... something that would not be<BR>
evident from the videotape...)  :-/<BR>
<BR>
- -- g<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:21:48 -0700<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1315<BR>
<BR>
>This reminds me of a book I read long ago... The radical conservationists<BR>
>were trying to stop the megacorporations from damaging the environment<BR>
>any more, and this ad copy writer got caught in the middle of it.<BR>
>Apparently, despite the fact of a VERY high law level, some bloke<BR>
>discovered that there were people who would commit crimes because they<BR>
>_enjoy_ being beaten. He would get someone to commit a murder, and the<BR>
>police would beat him to death upon capture, and he would laugh the whole<BR>
>time.<BR>
<BR>
And *that* reminds me of a bit from the DC Comics miniseries The Watchmen.<BR>
In the scene, two retired superheroes are talking about old times...<BR>
<BR>
"Hey, remember that guy? The one who pretended to be a super-villain so<BR>
he could get beaten up?"<BR>
"Oh, you mean Captain Carnage." (Laughs.) "He was one for the books."<BR>
"Whatever happened to him?"<BR>
"Uh, well, he tried it on Rorschach, and Rorschach dropped him down an<BR>
elevator shaft."<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:36:14 -0700<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Intelligence Services in Traveller<BR>
<BR>
>Hi all.  The recent discussion of IBIS and IRIS got me thinking:  What are<BR>
>the intelligence services and secret societies in the TU?  I've invented a<BR>
>few of my own, but I don't remember seeing many in the sourcebooks.  In<BR>
>fact, this seems a little suspicious to me.  Has there been some sort of<BR>
>cover up?  Perhaps the answer lies in <CENSORED> <CENSORED> <CENSORED><BR>
><CENSORED> <CENSORED><BR>
<BR>
IMTU, the Scout Service has an ultra-covert intelligence service called<BR>
The Rangers, who use mundane Scout activities as their cover. As far as<BR>
most people are concerned, they're just scouts. A few might learn that<BR>
they're part of the IISS' Intelligence Branch. But a very select few <BR>
know the truth: they're part of a group that is secret enough that even<BR>
most IISS Intelligence Branch members don't know it exists.<BR>
<BR>
The reason it exists IMTU is that the player characters are members of<BR>
this elite service. Their being Scouts gives them cover to travel around<BR>
the sector without being particularly noticed; being Intelligence agents<BR>
gives them their adventures...<BR>
<BR>
Other agencies that probably exist IMTU include IRIS and ISIS and IBIS<BR>
and the other usual groups. I have an adventure planned where the PCs<BR>
will have to deal with the operatives of one of these services who are<BR>
working at cross-purposes with what the PCs are trying to do, each group<BR>
not wanting to reveal who they really are to the other... :)<BR>
<BR>
- -- g<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:04:39 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: More on slang...<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 2:37 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> ><BR>
> > And (for our British list members), "knock up" means "make pregnant"<BR>
> > and "fanny" is a synonym for "butt", not for "vagina".<BR>
> ><BR>
> What does "knock up" mean in Britain?<BR>
><BR>
> My favorite British English story is about how my ex-husband, who came to<BR>
> the US from Hong Kong at age 14 to go to boarding school, almost got<BR>
> punched out by an American girl in his class when he asked her if she had<BR>
> a rubber he could use.  (HK people use British English; "rubber" there is<BR>
> "eraser" here.  "Rubber" here is "condom.")<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Oz is a funny old place... We get the "best" of both worlds, though<BR>
predominantly British slang;<BR>
  Knocked-up: Either tired (after a hard work-out, run, manual labour) or<BR>
being preggers (pregnant)<BR>
  Fanny: Works both ways, depending on whom you are talking to... either<BR>
backside (errrr... bum) or a woman's front bottom.  I have never heard of a<BR>
man having a fanny as part of his anatomy for some reason... so perhaps it's<BR>
also gender specific?<BR>
  Aussies have "Condoms"... it's in the adverts and on the wrappers.<BR>
However, we know of the term "rubber" and apply it in humorous fashion<BR>
whenever we wish to be difficult (the old, "Can I borrow your rubber?"<BR>
question can have a mile made from it if you consider what might be returned<BR>
if the rubber borrowed was a condom!).<BR>
  Those little board mates that you place under a beverage to either sop the<BR>
moisture from a cold drink, or protect a table from the heat of a hot one,<BR>
are called "drink coasters" or just "coaster" (those things you put under<BR>
the chairs of a lounge/couch to protect the carpet are also coasters) in<BR>
Aussie, I believe they are "drink mats" in the U.K.... don't know what they<BR>
are in the US?<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: Dirtside performing routine maintenance, the Engineer calls the town<BR>
party to "Grab a set of 'coasters' for the vertical slide flange, these ones<BR>
are shot!" (Coasters being a pair of small rubber rings).  The steward, part<BR>
of the town party knows coasters are a type of glass cocktail drinking<BR>
containers, but is cosmopolitan enough to guess that the engineer is<BR>
speaking about some kind of glass cups for the flange-thingie and rocks on<BR>
down to the ship's engineering supply store and tells the clerk what he<BR>
needs... only to be given a set of expensive,<BR>
non-refundable/non-exchangeable star ship grade gaskets and being assured<BR>
that this is what the engineer must be talking about as they are clearly<BR>
labelled "AG-4818567 Coasters, Starship Grade, Type-B"...<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:07:23 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Thing <gduke@telebyte.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 3:03 AM<BR>
Subject: RE: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> "19) 'Knock you up'. In our country, to wake someone up in the morning so<BR>
> they won't be late. Slightly different meaning for our American Cousins...<BR>
> (A big hint for Brits - preggers)."<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Oh yeah... in Aussie too, we can also be "knocked-up in the morning" to be<BR>
awakened...<BR>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:48:21 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace) #KEYBOARD ALERT!<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: <Graeme_Batho@agd.nsw.gov.au><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:59 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace) #KEYBOARD ALERT!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> In Australia, to "knock up" something is to construct it in a quick and<BR>
rough<BR>
> manner.<BR>
> For example, "I'm just going to knock up something for dinner".<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Forgot that one too!<BR>
<BR>
> Funniest story I've heard of these things was when an Australian beer<BR>
commercial<BR>
> was first<BR>
> seen in the USA. The beer is called XXXX (pronounced "four-ex"), which<BR>
sounds<BR>
> the same as a popular US brand of condom. The jingle ran:<BR>
><BR>
>      I can feel a four-ex coming on,<BR>
>      I can feel a four-ex coming on.<BR>
>      Just can't wait for it,<BR>
>      Got the TASTE for it,<BR>
>      I can feel a four-ex coming on.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
How about the one about Stewart Wagstaff (an early Aussie TV personality<BR>
from when Australia started broadcasting) on a visit to the U.S., in a bar<BR>
with another Aussie actor who, when on his way to the toilet shouted back<BR>
over his shoulder, "Be back in a minute, just going to the toilet and<BR>
lighting up a fag..."  A fag being slang for a cigarette at that time (and<BR>
still in use now), the term was seen as quite something different by the<BR>
U.S. locals and the pair got chucked out of the bar, being accused of being<BR>
a pair of horses hoofs!!!!!<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
          Bewdybottlerockersportgrousetube!<BR>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:55:07 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Dragon Magazine Archive...<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh@aracnet.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:16 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Dragon Magazine Archive<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> > I just picked up the Dragon Magazine Archive, and I was wondering if any<BR>
><BR>
> > Damn, having 250 issues of the Dragon is going to take up so much of my<BR>
> > time.<BR>
><BR>
> Huh?!?!  Um, pardon a stupid question, is this a CD-ROM, or what?  If it<BR>
is<BR>
> a CD-ROM is it Windows only?  Is this the _First_ 250 issues?  Also, how<BR>
much?<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
A 5x CD (as far as I know)Windows only CD-ROM set.  Aussie coin... $130.00.<BR>
The first 250 magazines reproduced in their entirety (ads, rules, comments,<BR>
images, the lot... including the forerunner "Stratigic Revue" magazines).<BR>
Worth every cent if you are into that sort of thing... which also had some<BR>
cool sci-fi articles in the earlier issues, including CT articles.<BR>
<BR>
> > [Please, don't direct any flames my way for buying such a controversial<BR>
> > product. The historical value was too great for me to pass up.]<BR>
><BR>
> OK, now I'm even more confused, why is it controversial.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
I think it's controversial because it's not a favourite game system (like<BR>
Microsoft) with many Travellers?  Am I correct in these assumptions or are<BR>
they a vocal minority?  Just asking ;^)<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:02:00 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Cons On Ice Scenario<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>>From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
><BR>
>>There's another one that I can't recall the author <BR>
>>of. It's got a pseudo Aztec culture living in a <BR>
>>mountain valley. And then our hero decides to break <BR>
>>the taboos and go exploring. He climbs the monutains<BR>
>>and finds that they touch the sky! Turns out the <BR>
>>"valley" is the inside of a generation ship. I can't <BR>
>>recall why the passengers were handled that way. <BR>
><BR>
> That was done in a Star Trek episode.  The title was<BR>
> something like, For the World is Hollow and I Have<BR>
> Touched the Sky.  McCoy got the girl, as I recall.<BR>
<BR>
No, this was a book. And predated the Trek episode.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 04:16:52 -0500<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Justice and Criminal vs Civil <BR>
<BR>
> >Then there was the Rodney King beating case a few years back - some<BR>
> >Los Angeles, California police officers got a bit too enthusiastic in their<BR>
> >apprehending of one Rodney King, who was resisting arrest...and <BR>
> >someone got it on videotape.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >The officers were acquitted of using excessive force- apparently it wasn't <BR>
> >clear to the jury just how much Mr. King was actually resisting, and <BR>
> >they could not get to the beyond reasonable doubt stage.<BR>
> <BR>
> Is it true that Mr. King was hopped up on PCP at the time? Or is that<BR>
> just an urban myth that arose after the fact? (If it's true, it would<BR>
> explain the actions of the officers... something that would not be<BR>
> evident from the videotape...)  :-/<BR>
<BR>
Just drunk, IIRC.  Thing is, his 'rap sheet', which would have been transmitted to the officers involved, included a conviction of assault with intent to kill on a police officer.<BR>
<BR>
Keven<BR>
<BR>
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                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure<BR>
                                                     In Reavers' Deep<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 04:31:03 -0500<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Marc Miller's new website for Traveller <BR>
<BR>
> I asked Marc and he said it was alright to begin publicizing the new site.<BR>
> He has quite a bit of the work completed and I'm sure he would welcome<BR>
> feedback on what he is doing.  I for one would be interested to hear the<BR>
> feedback and discussion happen right here on the TML, unless you think that<BR>
> would needlessly clog the list with on-topic posts ;-)<BR>
> <BR>
> http://members.aol.com/Traveller<BR>
<BR>
Looks good so far.  It'll look great once it's done.<BR>
<BR>
BTW, I get a bad link to www.rpgrealms.com link.  Seems the '.com' part was <BR>
left off...<BR>
 <BR>
Keven<BR>
<BR>
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                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure<BR>
                                                     In Reavers' Deep<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:25:28 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Language Vote<BR>
<BR>
>VOTE for the nonhuman Traveller language that would be most useful and<BR>
>interesting to players, refs, and writers to have grammars, vocabularies,<BR>
>and a variety of sample texts for.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
The candidates are:<BR>
Droyne (Oynprith):<BR>
Aslan (Trokh): count me here<BR>
Vargr*:<BR>
K'kree:<BR>
Other:   _____________<BR>
<BR>
also count me for Virush and Newt...<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 02:26:02 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: re Intell Services<BR>
<BR>
>Hi all.  The recent discussion of IBIS and IRIS got me thinking:  What are<BR>
>the intelligence services and secret societies in the TU?  I've invented a<BR>
>few of my own, but I don't remember seeing many in the sourcebooks.  In<BR>
>fact, this seems a little suspicious to me.  Has there been some sort of<BR>
>cover up?  Perhaps the answer lies in <CENSORED> <CENSORED> <CENSORED><BR>
><CENSORED> <CENSORED><BR>
><BR>
<imtu><BR>
Hmm... I use IMOJ Special Research Office, the Scout Contact office, INIS<BR>
(ImpNavInt), IRIS, The various megacorporate intell services (Especially<BR>
the vemene), and the "Imperial Special Force" (note the singular, not a<BR>
typo). All of them send at least some info up to the IMI... and the IMI is<BR>
much like Barrayaran ImpSec... and is a parrallel organization.<BR>
<BR>
ISF is a cadre of 100 of the best and brightest of each sector's various<BR>
local, and imperial, operatives. With no prerequisite prior service other<BR>
than completion of 4 years creditable imperial service (They have to be<BR>
citizens), a bar on nobility, and huge expense allowances. Imperial<BR>
Warrants (Of the get out of jail free variety) are standard issue on<BR>
missions. Anagathics (The very best and purest) are standard, usually via<BR>
implanted "Leak Tubes" (ala norplant). Typically issued denable weapons,<BR>
little to no support in the field, and given "Nail missions", they spend<BR>
months training. Note:  that's 100 per sector... They also tend to travel<BR>
via low berth aboard naval craft a lot... typical careers are not chosen as<BR>
much for performance of the job they did, but for extremes of creativity,<BR>
loyalty, and perseverance. A noble goes anti-imperial, and hides out<BR>
leading a guerilla war, ISF snatches him... usually with 2-4 man ops teams.<BR>
The 1st 4 years of an ISF op's life are spent training, suffering<BR>
psycho-conditioning, and if trainable, learning psionics. The next 20 to 50<BR>
years are spent doing the odd jobs... usually about 1 per year per agent.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 20:44:08 -0500<BR>
From: Christopher Thrash <thrash@io.com><BR>
Subject: Nuclear Dampers (was Re: GT Starship gearheadedness) [long]<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:06:41 -0800 (PST)<BR>
>From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com><BR>
>Subject: Re: GT Starship gearheadedness<BR>
><BR>
>Christopher Thrash writes:<BR>
>> VE2 nuclear dampers prevent nuclear explosions (but not power generation)<BR>
>> within their radius of effect. Since the damage done by a nuclear-tipped<BR>
>> missile is a function of range to the target at detonation, this<BR>
>> effectively limits the amount of damage.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> It's not clear to me, however, that this is a good model of how nuclear<BR>
>> dampers work in Traveller. Traveller nuclear dampers are point-effect, not<BR>
>> area-effect, weapons that have to be targetted on each individual missile.<BR>
><BR>
>Actually, it depends on your sources.  First of all, area effect dampers<BR>
_are_ possible in FF&S, they just don't cover enough area to help against<BR>
detlasers and so aren't used much (and have really vague rules, which<BR>
doesn't help).  Second, I don't recall CT ever specifying how they worked,<BR>
but they seemed to be a single large system onboard a warship, which<BR>
suggested they probably were area dampers.<BR>
<BR>
"Nuclear Dampers: A common term, damper units actually may be used to<BR>
increase or decrease the stability of atomic nuclei. Projecting from two<BR>
separate stations, the intersection of the two transmitted broadcasts<BR>
produces a series of nodes and anti-nodes. In the area of the nodes, the<BR>
strong nuclear force is enhanced, making the nucleus more stable. In the<BR>
area of the anti-nodes, the strong nuclear force is depressed, making the<BR>
nucleus much less stable. Anti-nodes are focused on incoming nuclear<BR>
warheads, causing them to shed neutrons at low energy levels, rendering the<BR>
warhead inoperable. The range of the damper field is proportional to the<BR>
distance separating the two projectors. At tech level 13, the ratio is<BR>
100:1 (thus a separation of 50 meters would yield a range of 5 kilometers).<BR>
At tech level 14 and above, the ratio is 1000:1. ... Small damper field<BR>
units are available to transport fissionable material with a short half<BR>
life both to lengthen the half life and reduce radiation. Such units focus<BR>
nodes on the material carried... The damper is later developed into a<BR>
disintegrator weapon, beginning at tech level 16."<BR>
<BR>
Book 4 (Mercenary), p. 42.<BR>
<BR>
"Nuclear dampers are used to prevent nuclear reactions by enhancing the<BR>
strong nuclear force, and making atomic nuclei more stable. Dampers must be<BR>
focused on incoming missiles, and depend on an integral fire control system<BR>
for efficiency."<BR>
<BR>
Book 5 (High Guard), 1st Ed., p. 28. Note that this contradicts the first<BR>
entry on whether nodes or anti-nodes are used, but the focusing requirement<BR>
is the same. The following may be a correction:<BR>
<BR>
"Nuclear Dampers suppress nuclear reactions. Dampers are focused on<BR>
incoming nuclear missiles and use an integral fire control system for<BR>
efficiency."<BR>
<BR>
Book 5 (High Guard), 2d Ed. (extract), JTAS p. 23.<BR>
<BR>
"Nuclear dampers are capable of projecting a field which suppresses the<BR>
strong nuclear force, which causes nuclear warheads to decay rapidly and<BR>
renders them harmless; the projector must focus on a warhead for only a<BR>
fraction of a second. Dampers function as point defense weapons against<BR>
nuclear rounds only."<BR>
<BR>
Striker, Book 2 (Advanced Rules), p. 11.<BR>
<BR>
"Radiation Suppression: Another use of nuclear dampers is to eliminate the<BR>
radioactive contamination created by a nuclear weapon detonation. Instead<BR>
of performing its usual missions, a damper may be assigned to eliminate the<BR>
radiation from one [tactical] nuclear strike per [15 second] fire phase.<BR>
Both the crater and the area of induced radiation are rendered permanently<BR>
harmless."<BR>
<BR>
Ibid., p. 12.<BR>
<BR>
"Damper technology is one of the two major postulated scientific<BR>
breakthroughs. It assumes that a deeper understanding of the strong nuclear<BR>
force will allow us to manipulate it. Nuclear damper units create an<BR>
interference field in the force. Point defense dampers focus a negative<BR>
node on incoming nuclear warheads, lowering the potential barriers around<BR>
the nucleus; the warhead will shed neutrons at very low energies and be<BR>
rendered harmless after a very short exposure. Damper boxes, on the other<BR>
hand, focus a positive node on their contents, raising the potential<BR>
barrier and preventing nuclear decay."<BR>
<BR>
Striker, Book 3 (Equipment), pp. 4-5.<BR>
<BR>
Sorry for the exhaustive treatment, but we may as well be clear on what was<BR>
said on the subject. There _is_ an area of effect in CT, but small enough<BR>
to encompass only one missile at a time. The time required to render a<BR>
warhead harmless is short enough that many engagements are possible, but<BR>
GURPS targeting and skill rules make them significantly less than 100%<BR>
effective (which the current area effect dampers are).<BR>
<BR>
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